I rarely talk about it, but I spent 7 days in the Peruvian Amazon doing ayahuasca for 5 nights.
Still very difficult to talk about the experience in a way that makes sense but it changed my beliefs and outlooks in a profound way.
I saw myself die and believed it enough (still do) that I lost my fear of flying (because I know and believe exactly how I'll die).
I was shown every single lie I've ever told, even the ones that I forgot. The ones that bothered me the most were the smallest ones because they served no purpose at all. When I got back to work I told my boss what I was actually doing in the jungle. I thought I'd get fired or drug tested. In stead my boss gave me even more leeway and freedom at work after we talked about my schedule and performance. Every time I replaced an old lie with a new truth to the person I had lied to, things got better not worse. I was afraid and hiding for nothing, worse than nothing, it was hurting me.
Truly, impossible to explain. Each night an eternity. I forgot who I was, I forgot what I was. I became a truly impartial observer. (The vomiting was awful). In a single night all of us there became close friends. Hard not to when you hear people screaming their demons aloud in the pagoda as you scream yours out as well.
There was nothing left to hide.
I'll probably never do it again, but my life would be worse if I had never done it at all.
They also own several hundred acres during the jungle you can hike through and you can swim in a tributary of the Amazon (if thats your thing and you arent scared of leeches).
They were building a pool when I was there though, it should be done by now.
No electricity, wifi, or cell phone service though. Which IMO was also a big draw. Thats the only time I ever got a real vacation while I was employed in corporate.
I did this in 2009, in peru. Ehhh, I was so thoroughly freaked out at what is known as "ego death", I recited my name, DOB, address & names of my family members, for hours, to stay grounded in this physical plane. At some point, even that failed & the floodgates of madness were flung open. I sincerely believe ayahuasca punches a hole in one's mental / spiritual armor meant to protect the psyche from demons/spirits from other realms, for the duration of the trip. It was much more than I bargained for, in a bad way. It is an ass kicker of a concoction of herbs & what have you. Hard.Pass. Never again
Surprised you did this with a group. All the normies doing this crying about their BS divorce or whatever. Having take huge doses 'medicine' - I've had the best experiences alone in a completely dark room. music through headphones occasionally as a way to have some structure or grounding as you dive into yourself.
High enough doses and you experience ego death. The person you think of as 'you' disappears and you understand that 'you' don't exist.
People out here having 'revelations' yet these things are a dime a dozen. You get the extreme opposite side with guys going nutz thinking there are secrets or "deeper" truths inside. Yet the deeper meaning is that there is no deeper meaning. The power of these medicines to create new neural pathways can be positive to get out of a funk yet it can be negative and stop you from thinking clearly if you abuse it.
As anyone who has accomplished anything knows. taking a pill or a quick solution isn't a permanent fix. It's interesting and useful experience, yet like with near-death experiences, it's all temporary. 6 months, to a couple of years later and it all fades and you are back to the baseline.
"adventures in consciousness" are fun yet the only real change to be made is systematically breaking down all the lies that we are fed in life.
totally disagree with "6 months, to a couple of years later and it all fades and you are back to the baseline." 10+ years later never went back to "baseline"
Truth with a capital T - Things can be 'true' within context (i.e in this world) yet one thing is Truth.
Truth must be a single thing. Unalterable and non-relative. Therefore it cannot be anything material, which can be destroyed. It cannot be time which is relative to the observer.
Truth is what remans after everything else is burned away. The only thing that cannot be destroyed.
Truth is "I am" - Descartes said "i think therefore i am" Yet our thoughts themselves are not truth. (see Descartes 'evil demon')
So what this medicine and similar hallucinogenic can do is to temporary remove all of the junk. the noise. the ego. Yet with any 'easy' solution it's effects are temporary.
the person you think of as 'you' cannot reach the truth because 'you' aren't real. Everything. your thoughts, feelings, opinions, -all beliefs and all can be changed or destroyed.
Reading the line “You know with 100% certainty who you are supposed to keep close to you and who you should leave behind.” Makes the beginning of efficiency even more impactful.
omfg, Of all the posts filled w disclaimers (NFA this, DYOR that) the ONE that actually needs one, like in the damn subject line! doesn't have it!
Had it said "Caution! If you're someplace where it's expected that you keep quiet, pay attention and politely cough into your sleeve, DO NOT READ THIS!', I wouldn't have been overcome w uncontrollable snorting outbursts of laughter during my little niece's interpretive dance recital! 🤦🏼 lmao
After multiple shhhsh-ings I had to escort myself out of the kids auditorium. Bro I lost it at *He takes his shirt off* 😭 it was downhill from there. *swallows gallon hot embers* 💀.
Look I know it's a serious spiritual thing, it's not supposed to be funny, but I guess when you not supposed to laugh.. down I go..
Why was I reading BTB post at a children's recital? Thing was like 4 hours long! Figured a quick peek not gonna hurt anybody! Oof.
I rarely talk about it, but I spent 7 days in the Peruvian Amazon doing ayahuasca for 5 nights.
Still very difficult to talk about the experience in a way that makes sense but it changed my beliefs and outlooks in a profound way.
I saw myself die and believed it enough (still do) that I lost my fear of flying (because I know and believe exactly how I'll die).
I was shown every single lie I've ever told, even the ones that I forgot. The ones that bothered me the most were the smallest ones because they served no purpose at all. When I got back to work I told my boss what I was actually doing in the jungle. I thought I'd get fired or drug tested. In stead my boss gave me even more leeway and freedom at work after we talked about my schedule and performance. Every time I replaced an old lie with a new truth to the person I had lied to, things got better not worse. I was afraid and hiding for nothing, worse than nothing, it was hurting me.
Truly, impossible to explain. Each night an eternity. I forgot who I was, I forgot what I was. I became a truly impartial observer. (The vomiting was awful). In a single night all of us there became close friends. Hard not to when you hear people screaming their demons aloud in the pagoda as you scream yours out as well.
There was nothing left to hide.
I'll probably never do it again, but my life would be worse if I had never done it at all.
Accurate, although get the feeling there will be one more ride left on this. Not sure why but know it will happen.
Maybe you were thinking of that one last ride that everyone takes st the end of their lives?
Perhaps but more likely one in-between kind of saw why as well.
powerful and beautiful
would you be willing to reply or DM which retreat you took. I need this. Want a legit experience
I went to blue morpho retreat outside of Iquitos.
Its expensive but very exclusive and thorough. All inclusive for meals and entertainment during the day and the shamans are like 7th generation now.
You also get to be part of the brewing process and make the ayahuasca.
It was fun, highly worth it and I really recommend it.
https://bluemorphotours.com/
They also own several hundred acres during the jungle you can hike through and you can swim in a tributary of the Amazon (if thats your thing and you arent scared of leeches).
They were building a pool when I was there though, it should be done by now.
No electricity, wifi, or cell phone service though. Which IMO was also a big draw. Thats the only time I ever got a real vacation while I was employed in corporate.
I did this in 2009, in peru. Ehhh, I was so thoroughly freaked out at what is known as "ego death", I recited my name, DOB, address & names of my family members, for hours, to stay grounded in this physical plane. At some point, even that failed & the floodgates of madness were flung open. I sincerely believe ayahuasca punches a hole in one's mental / spiritual armor meant to protect the psyche from demons/spirits from other realms, for the duration of the trip. It was much more than I bargained for, in a bad way. It is an ass kicker of a concoction of herbs & what have you. Hard.Pass. Never again
Brutal
Been waiting for a meaningful post for a long time. Godspeed
What did I just read…
Hahaha was waiting for one of those.
Only those that have been in that realm can truly understand...life changing
Surprised you did this with a group. All the normies doing this crying about their BS divorce or whatever. Having take huge doses 'medicine' - I've had the best experiences alone in a completely dark room. music through headphones occasionally as a way to have some structure or grounding as you dive into yourself.
High enough doses and you experience ego death. The person you think of as 'you' disappears and you understand that 'you' don't exist.
People out here having 'revelations' yet these things are a dime a dozen. You get the extreme opposite side with guys going nutz thinking there are secrets or "deeper" truths inside. Yet the deeper meaning is that there is no deeper meaning. The power of these medicines to create new neural pathways can be positive to get out of a funk yet it can be negative and stop you from thinking clearly if you abuse it.
As anyone who has accomplished anything knows. taking a pill or a quick solution isn't a permanent fix. It's interesting and useful experience, yet like with near-death experiences, it's all temporary. 6 months, to a couple of years later and it all fades and you are back to the baseline.
"adventures in consciousness" are fun yet the only real change to be made is systematically breaking down all the lies that we are fed in life.
Truth does exist.
totally disagree with "6 months, to a couple of years later and it all fades and you are back to the baseline." 10+ years later never went back to "baseline"
How do you define truth
Truth with a capital T - Things can be 'true' within context (i.e in this world) yet one thing is Truth.
Truth must be a single thing. Unalterable and non-relative. Therefore it cannot be anything material, which can be destroyed. It cannot be time which is relative to the observer.
Truth is what remans after everything else is burned away. The only thing that cannot be destroyed.
Truth is "I am" - Descartes said "i think therefore i am" Yet our thoughts themselves are not truth. (see Descartes 'evil demon')
So what this medicine and similar hallucinogenic can do is to temporary remove all of the junk. the noise. the ego. Yet with any 'easy' solution it's effects are temporary.
the person you think of as 'you' cannot reach the truth because 'you' aren't real. Everything. your thoughts, feelings, opinions, -all beliefs and all can be changed or destroyed.
This is very deep.
The Tiger lives in the Spiritual Realm….
This writing is so good.
Fine line between deranged and good
We need more deranged writing.
This is a fascinating portrayal of the Aya experience.
What a post.
Thank you for sharing.
Reading the line “You know with 100% certainty who you are supposed to keep close to you and who you should leave behind.” Makes the beginning of efficiency even more impactful.
stay toon’d, indeed
Message is clear
Cryptographically clear
So how does this compare to a proper shroom dose or acid dose? As far as emotional enlightenment or cleansing goes.
Not even close
omfg, Of all the posts filled w disclaimers (NFA this, DYOR that) the ONE that actually needs one, like in the damn subject line! doesn't have it!
Had it said "Caution! If you're someplace where it's expected that you keep quiet, pay attention and politely cough into your sleeve, DO NOT READ THIS!', I wouldn't have been overcome w uncontrollable snorting outbursts of laughter during my little niece's interpretive dance recital! 🤦🏼 lmao
After multiple shhhsh-ings I had to escort myself out of the kids auditorium. Bro I lost it at *He takes his shirt off* 😭 it was downhill from there. *swallows gallon hot embers* 💀.
Look I know it's a serious spiritual thing, it's not supposed to be funny, but I guess when you not supposed to laugh.. down I go..
Why was I reading BTB post at a children's recital? Thing was like 4 hours long! Figured a quick peek not gonna hurt anybody! Oof.
good post tho!
Done by design, can't be all serious it was a full rollercoaster
What a ride! Enjoyed this post! Was the advice of the dead relatives any good?
Yes so we hope!
The subconscious of a turbo autist connecting to a higher power must have been a ride
So....Did you guys get anything out of it, or what? Hard to tell from this post.
It reads:
"You'll be shown your exact purpose in life"
"You are shown the good and the bad that you've done to people"
and more
If those two are not enough, nothing is
Yeah there are a lot of clear answers in there, he's of the view its woo woo stuff which is fine, his perspective
the only way out is through
Is this my sign it’s time to try it?